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If you’re trying to grade a pay-per-view, there are two ways you need to look at the event.
The first way is to look at the event as a stand-alone, individual occurrence with no bearing on the past or future. Look at the matches and promos for what they are, and look to see if the crowd is hot or not. You ask if the matches would have made sense if they were someone’s first exposure to the company. Does the event, stripped of outside meaning and context, work well overall–or at least more often than not? Does the company in question display at least a rudimentary sense of backstage technological sensibility, thus allowing us viewers to focus on the match and the crowd instead of peripheral things? (For your information, despite the fact that I’m a total mark for what they theoretically stand for, Ring of Honor has yet to get full marks for that last one.)
Getting positive answers to those questions is a sign that–at the very least–the show in question wasn’t a complete disaster. By and large, TNA did that. As a stand-alone event that was completely independent from everything else, Bound For Glory wasn’t a bad little show. Sure, the crowd died for a little while and there were a few hiccups when it came to psychology, but I never found myself questioning the spending of my time on the show despite my panning of the Tenay-Taz booth for all three hours on Twitter. (A brief aside: Tenay and Taz are an undeniably and unforgivably horrible broadcast team. Taz in particular has no place in a booth.) By and large, it was three hours of reasonably solid matches…and something involving Al Snow and a retro porn star.
The second way you need to look at things is in a broader sense. Look at the past and toward the future and ask if what you watched made sense. Do the matches–and the event itself–feel as big as they were supposed to feel? Does the company appear to be headed in a positive or negative direction? Were the ideas presented fresh, or at least exciting re-makes? Are your company’s important slots in good hands? Was this, in the broader and more complicated picture, a good event?
It’s there that I think my colleagues and I start to differ. It wasn’t a bad show, but it was a letdown with some questionable decisions which should make any objective observer question what exactly it is that TNA plans to do going forward. Yes, as stand-alone events the matches were solid. Ten years from now someone might even pop this into their DVD player to introduce someone to wrestling and actually succeed in making them like it. But for us big picture folks, this event just didn’t live up to the hype or deliver the kind of breakthrough moments we keep waiting for TNA to have.
If you were looking for a grade from me, I’d say it could probably range anywhere from a 75-80 out of 100 depending on how generous you want to be and what you plan on scoring. Like I said, despite my sardonic commentary throughout the night this wasn’t a bad little show. But this column isn’t about giving TNA a grade on a pay-per-view. This is about TNA not treating their supposed answer to Wrestlemania like it is an answer to Wrestlemania; this is about TNA making the same mistake with its primary title that it has made time after time after time.
Regardless of how one feels about hardcore matches (I don’t), you’ll be hard-pressed to make the argument that they don’t take a lot out of a crowd. Roode-Storm was no exception to this principle. While that’s not a problem in-and-of-itself, the rest of the show was allowed to plod along while while the then dead crowd contributed to it not feeling like the company’s biggest event of the year. Sure, some of that is out of the company’s hands, but Roode-Storm was the third match on a card that opened with RVD challenging and defeating Zema Ion for the X-Division title, and Magnus challenging, but losing to, Samoa Joe for the television title. (Aside: Isn’t the point of a Television title that it is defended on Television?) Surely they could have spaced the better matches out to give people time to breathe. That’s not me being a nitpick, that’s Card Building 101.
It’s a shame that happened too, because while I have problems with the Aces & 8’s angle, the reveal of Devon as a figure within the group should have elicited more than the tepid gasp it got. Even the smartest of the Smarks should have at least given polite applause to TNA for keeping something fairly under wraps. That sort of leads into the problem of what TNA plans to do long term, because there are concerns that should arise with this new reveal.
So Devon is the leader of the group–or at least is a power figure within it. What’s the payoff? Is it Devon versus Bully Ray? Does Sting somehow factor in at the end? It wouldn’t be out of the question for that to happen. But the reaction is “so what” no matter what. Just as importantly, when is the final payoff for all this? Logically it’s next year’s BFG, but that’s a long way off for three guys whose combined average age is almost 45. In the mean time, what happens from here? Is Aces and 8’s going to run out of control from a creative standpoint? I, for one, fear it will. This whole thing feels too nWo-ish for me. And how do you keep the angle going for a year?
And why did everybody play so nice in a no disqualification format? Yeah yeah, suspension of disbelief and all that jazz, but I’m not saying the Aces should have showed up with shotguns either. It’s No DQ and if you lose you’re “gone.” Break counts, use weapons–hell, if you watched the matches before yours you’d know they were available to you–don’t just stand around and hope something good happens for you. The Aces seemed to spend a lot of time doing that. Why show up to a match with no rules if you plan to spend the whole night following them?
If there was ever a pay-per-view that shouldn’t leave people asking all these questions, it’s your promotion’s premiere event of the year. I’m not against a big reveal at your biggest show, but the questions I’m asking border on being basic procedural stuff. And while I shouldn’t be able to predict what’s going to happen step-for-step, I should at least be able to say “Ah, okay, I have (compelling angle 1 and 2) to look forward to now!”
But speaking of basic procedural stuff, we get to what really soured the show for me: The Main Event.
Much like the rest of the show, the match was great as a stand-alone event with no implications to the future, nor any past fears to dig up. If it was just a one-off event that happened independently, it was actually a really great match. I’m saying this even though I still see absolutely no wrestling skills in Jeff Hardy’s possession, or even a reason to be interested in him for that matter. He’s wrestling’s answer to the Mexican Jumping Bean, and I commend Austin Aries for getting an otherwise really good match out of him…it…whatever.
Still, this makes the second time in three years that Hardy has won the TNA WHC at BFG. Meanwhile, I can’t imagine he’s staying clean and he definitely hasn’t remained uninjured, or under contract, or even interested in wrestling. Hardy isn’t only older, he has harder miles on his body and at the end of the day has never been someone whom could be trusted to have a company built around them. He’s definitely over with a lot of people, but that should tell you something when someone so over still gets shoved aside by an even bigger promotion with a more driving need for that sort of thing.
Seriously, four years (ish) ago, Vince McMahon sat down and said something to the extent of “Jeff, you’re really over and we almost don’t even have to try to make gobs of money off you. But we’re going to go with four other people: a guy who can’t even get over in his hometown, a former reality tv personality with almost no wrestling background, CM Punk, and something my son-in-law calls Sheamus. I don’t know. Anyway, good luck doing your painting or whatever.”
Meanwhile, Austin Aries got the call to be Ring of Honor Champion as it made its initial move to television and held the belt during what was arguably its most successful period to date. And while I can’t truthfully say that I know for sure why he left Ring of Honor, if I said “Ring of Honor is kind of cheap” none of you would really call me on it either.
The match was a microcosm of the entire night if you think about it. Fun to watch in isolation, painful when you begin realizing what it all means.
I sure hope TNA knows what they’re doing. It would be nice to have them prove me wrong for once.
– During my live tweeting of the show I took some shots at the laughable TNA Hall of Fame video package with sting. This got me called out by wrestler Joey Image. The conversation went as follows…(edited only to remove superfluous Twitter things)
Me: “When I was a kid I dreamed of being in front of tens of thousands of people.” – Sting. Not all dreams come true.
Image: did WCW not draw tens of thousands?
Me: Numbers vary, but WCW was lucky to get 15k at a ppv. at best, that’s “ten of thousand.”
Image: He didn’t specify “at a PPV”. He just said “in front of”, and that dream came true.
I didn’t really have the space to respond on Twitter, so I’ll do it here.
Fine, Joey, I concede your point. In a mindbogglingly reductionist world you’ve managed to split a microscopic semantic hair with me and sort of eek out a philosophical victory. Never mind that even in the world of professional sports broadcasting the phrase “in front of the crowd” almost always refers specifically to the on-location attendance. Never mind that ten year old Sting couldn’t have even been aware of the concept of being viewed on a pay-per-view or closed circuit television format in someone’s home. (PPV wouldn’t even become a recognizable and sustainable technology until 1980, by which point Sting was around age 21 and CCTV never caught on as a method for home viewing.) And speaking of ten year old Sting, never mind that no ten year old has ever thought in such broad platitudes.
Actually, I don’t concede that point. You’re humorless.
– It will be really interesting to see how guys get time distributed on Raw tonight. I say this because of something we sort of touched on during ITR last week, but didn’t really get into a whole lot.
Based on last week’s numbers, Vince knows the following things: 1. Ratings were up once he came into the picture. 2. These were the ratings which were up during CM Punk’s time. 3. John Cena seemed to have no impact on ratings, but that could be a red herring because of when Cena’s airtime was.
Vince and crew will need to see if they can find tangible evidence of who does and does not impact ratings the most. That will dictate a lot of what is going to happen between HIAC and the Rumble, and by proxy Wrestlemania.
– I’m getting really, really tired of all these Steve Austin comeback rumors. Please…for the love of Jesus…stop.
Thoughts Completely Unrelated to Wrestling
– Nice to see the Packers get back on track, at least for a week.
– Thank God I’m not a big UFC fan because I could never do those late pay-per-views.
– “People of the CTA” is an interesting Facebook Page. While I will absolutely deny your friend request if you find me, you should check it out anyway.
I <3 The 80’s Song of the Week
“Golden Brown” – The Stranglers
Ray Bogusz is the co-host of the In The Room Show and a syndicated wrestling columnist. You can reach him via his Twitter @RayITR. To get his column on your website, email firstname.lastname@example.org.
So after some post Conclave down time I have returned to give my thoughts on the world of wrestling. First up is TNA’s Bound For Glory PPV this Sunday. This PPV is supposedly the biggest of the year, the culmination, their answer to WrestleMania. Well last years was rubbish and this one doesn’t look like it will be any better and if anything shows just how bad things in TNA are right now. Continue reading
This week, former WWE Smackdown star–and Straight-Ege Society member–“BIG LG,” the former LUKE GALLOWS steps IN THE ROOM with Brady Hicks, Kevin, and Young John to talk about his experience on the road with WWE, starting at the age of just 21. All that, plus Austin Aries is announced as the #8 competitor in this year’s ECWA Super 8 (interview to follow…next week), WrestleMania talk heats up, and Brady and the gang discuss Sting’s return to TNA.
On Teaming With Punk in SES:
They wanted a big guy with [CM Punk]. He didn’t really need it, nor do I think he thought he did. I thought we made it really work though. I tried to change my look, change a little my style in the ring. I think a little character development may have helped us more, but on the other hand–and he’s one of my best friends so this isn’t me kissing butt–he is one of the best on the mic. I could understand why they wouldn’t give us more to say, but I always wish they would have.
This week, independent star Alicia comes IN THE ROOM to talk about her upcoming Women Superstars Uncensored match with Nikki Roxx (TNA’s Roxxi). Plus, Brady Hicks, with DJ and Kevin McElvaney, talks TNA’s pay per view, Jeff Hardy, The Slammy’s, and what could be for Sting.
On Beginning Her Training at a Very Young Age:
I started wrestling when I was rather young. I started training at 13 and doing shows when i was 14. Things like my senior prom and other things kids were doing, wrestling always came first for me. Once you’re in it, you’re in it for life. It’s like an addiction when you’re in wrestling.
On Learning from Mercedes Martinez:
When I started Mercedes Martinez was a golden name. She was experienced, talented, and didn’t take crap from anybody. You need to bring your a game whenever you’re in the ring with her. I was scared to death of her. Even today, in 2010, I got to tell you, I’m still pretty intimidated by her. If I could have the same kind of athleticism and talent as her, I’d be pretty proud of myself.
On Comparing WSU to its More Mainstream Competition:
I think that a lot of the counterparts really focus on different aspects of women’s wrestling. WSU is based in the Northeast and there’s a different style of athleticism. There is really a good balance of all of the different types of women’s wrestling,rolled into one. You can’t know what you’re going to get here because it’s always going to be different … I really like that it’s just raw women’s wrestling.
On Wrestling “Hardcore”:
I’m really flexible. You’re just not going to see me going high flying. I’m actually a fan of that King of the Deathmatch stuff.
All that plus Alicia’s thoughts on wrestling Amy Lee, Mickie Knuckles, Nikki Roxx, and Angel Orsini.
This week on In the Room, TNA star Kurt Angle steps IN THE ROOM with Brady Hicks for a special Bound for Glory edition of the show. Find out what Kurt thinks about the prospect of wrestling Jeff Hardy and Mr. Anderson at TNA’s biggest show of the year. Special thanks go out to TNA and Kurt Angle for taking the time to sit down with the gang.
On His Upcoming TNA Bound for Glory match:
Just like any other Bound for Glory. I know I have to step it up and put on the best performance I can. I’m excited it is Jeff Hardy and Mr. Anderson because I think they are two of the big upcoming names in TNA. I believe you’re going to see a lot of great things in this match. The match will be match of the year. We’re going to steal the show and give the TNA fans a really great main event.
Comparing Bound for Glory to WrestleMania:
In TNA they give every wrestler on the card the ability to steal the show. We’re ALL put in a position where you’re trying to have the best match. And that’s why a lot of the matches are so good.
On Kurt’s Reaction to Several of the Stars Who Have Come In:
I have mixed feelings. I don’t exactly want somebody to come in from WWE and win the title from our best wrestler, which is AJ Styles. Rob Van Dam is a featured kind of wrestler, Jeff Hardy is as well. Mr. Anderson never really got his real chance, and I’m thankful for that. Right now, we actually has a better roster than WWE. The TNA wrestlers here have carried the company to this point and they deserve a lot of credit. We need to utilize those guys, and let the former WWE guys somewhat enhance them.
Comparing TNA to WWE:
A lot of times, WWE doesn’t get all that they could out of their wrestlers. I don’t think an AJ Styles could have done all that he did if he were in WWE. There is no wrestler better in the world than AJ Styles. He’s the best in the world. It just shows that we’re able to utilize wrestlers differently than WWE. We’re not just that prototype 6’2″, 240 pound man.
Kurt’s “Dream” Final Opponent:
I had a good little run with Randy Orton, but he wasn’t as good as he is now. I think [Randy] is the best wrestler up there right now. He carries that company as a character and as a wrestler. I see another guy that’s going to step up that I want to wrestle is the Miz. He’s really stepped up in recent years. In TNA, I’d love to do more with the X Division guys, let them wrestle their style as I wrestle mine.
On Vince McMahon:
I loved Vince. We ended badly, but he and I had a great relationship for a long time. He was like a father to me. Vince and I just weren’t on the same page. I was burned out. I felt trapped and overworked and just wanted to get out. Vince did the right thing.
Plus, Kurt checks in with his thoughts on RVD “The Rock Star,” who specifically in TNA deserves more of a push, who from WWE he would LOVE to wrestle, Dixie vs. Vince, his excitement with Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin both being free agents, and his thoughts on WWE stars such as Randy Orton, The Miz, Bret Hart, and Christian.
Join us this Friday (10/8) for a special TNA Bound for Glory edition of IN THE ROOM, as Brady Hicks, DJ, and Kevin McElvaney are joined by a legend in the wrestling business.
What are Kurt Angle’s thoughts as he steps into what could be the final match of his career: a three-way match for the TNA World Title against Jeff Hardy and Mr. Anderson. Tune in Friday, as the TNA star steps IN THE ROOM!
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